zlf — 5/3/2025, 10:19:41 PM

Genuinely feel a sense of dread rn last month I discovered some really obscure artist who had this one amazing song and when i looked it up on youtube today i saw a weird comment and discovered that some rapper five days ago had somehow found the song and just rapped over it without changing barely anything 😢😢😢

I am PRAYING that it doesnt get famous or my gatekeeping song will be ruined

Chat do i try and get in touch with the original creator of the song to see if he got sampling permissions for it and potentially start a lawsuit 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

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bwah:

Yes you should contact the original creator to raise his awareness

5/5/2025, 2:01:59 PM
esben:

Creators don’t want to be gatekept, if anything, they are probably happy a rapper sampled them, as it gave them exposure.

5/5/2025, 2:47:15 PM
bwah:

This is usually not the case. Most self-released artists don’t want their music being used/sampled without their permission, especially if it’s being monetized.

Also, they wouldn’t be happy about the exposure if they never got credited in the first place.

5/5/2025, 2:57:35 PM
esben:

Well yeah obv not if monetized. Idk the situation though, is this a short freestyle posted on some guys youtube channel, or is it his official spotify release that he is also selling.

5/5/2025, 3:12:11 PM
zlf:

Spotify release and there was no credit given it appears

5/5/2025, 5:40:07 PM
esben:

OK yeah that’s obv bad, credit should be given no matter what

5/5/2025, 5:51:47 PM
dubstep:

I would certainly not call you foolish to think this by any means, however it is much more complicated than that. In many cases, sampling can be a good thing, and genres like Breakcore and Hip-Hop are based almost entirely around sampling. This form of sampling is generally seen as acceptable by the majority of musical artists as it is very transformative, with sampling being used very experimentally. However, in this instance, the rapper using the sample of the original song is transforming almost nothing, practically stealing all of the hard work of the original artist. Especially if this was done without credit, or the rapper’s song is monetized, this is not an acceptable form of sampling. This is simply laziness.

5/5/2025, 4:36:38 PM
esben:

Yeah, but once again, we don’t know everything. zlf says they “barely changed anything” Which means they could have changed some stuff. Also, they could have given credit ect. My statement was kinda general, but yeah I think we should just stop talking about this since we don’t really know the situation.

5/5/2025, 4:39:06 PM
dubstep:

Good argument, however even if some basic editing was done, such as rearranging, post-processing or adding an extra instrument, it still would not be enough to justify. People who steal others’ music and label it as their own often get around copyright restrictions anyway by changing the BPM, moving around parts of the song, adding effects, and more, without actually doing anything creative. Additionally, if the rapper had, without doubt, given credit, why would this post need to exist in the first place? And even if they had given credit, zlf seems to be worried that the song will “become famous”. This implies that the rapper is fairly well known, and likely monetized. The only instance where this would be acceptable is that the original artist had directly given sampling permissions. However, until we know for sure, most evidence seems to imply that a wrongdoing is being made.

5/5/2025, 4:48:52 PM
owl:

Can you send us the link to the og

5/3/2025, 11:29:42 PM
zlf:

🔒 GATEKEEPING 🔒

5/4/2025, 10:27:32 AM
owl:

???

5/4/2025, 1:16:03 PM
portalpower:

It’s kinda hard to have a conversation about this if you refuse to give context for no real reason.

5/4/2025, 5:33:42 PM
esben:

music ain’t this serious

5/3/2025, 10:35:59 PM
bwah:

it is though. if you don’t have your music protected by copyright, it can be really easy to have it stolen, and any potential profits are -poof-, gone.

5/3/2025, 11:08:35 PM
jeffalo:

right but it’s funny to want to gatekeep a song as a listener

5/4/2025, 6:29:12 AM
engineerrunner:

fr

5/4/2025, 6:30:04 AM
owl:

huh??

5/4/2025, 1:20:08 PM
bwah:

when it comes to this kinda thing, artists are very adamant that you respect their reserved rights to their music

5/3/2025, 11:09:40 PM
owl:

Yeah, it kinda is.

5/3/2025, 11:29:10 PM
esben:

No it isn’t, gatekeeping music is dumb. If other people are enjoying a remix made by a rapper, let them enjoy the remix.

5/4/2025, 7:08:26 AM
owl:

Spoken like someone who has never had their works stolen (taken without credit or consent) before

5/4/2025, 1:18:39 PM
portalpower:

Have you never heard sampling before? Stuff like this happens all the time and it’s rare that they didn’t get consent.

5/4/2025, 5:37:00 PM
owl:

Sampling ≠ using the song to rap over without changing anything. Based off of Zlf's description, it sounds like they didn't get consent (though it's impossible to know because they won't give us the song??). Look up the "Ice Ice Baby" by Vanilla Ice vs "Under Pressure" by ABBA case

5/4/2025, 8:33:32 PM
portalpower:

(Erm akshually under pressure is by queen and David Bowie 🤓) yeah, it’s hard to know without knowing what song it is cough cough @zlf cough cough

5/4/2025, 9:47:09 PM
esben:

1: Sampling a song is not having your work stolen

2: I bet you support piracy

5/4/2025, 6:38:05 PM
owl:

1. This is more than just sampling, read my reply to portal power. 2. This is completely unrelated

5/4/2025, 8:34:53 PM
lily:

piracy and sampling are not remotely comparable

5/7/2025, 6:28:52 PM
esben:

Wasn’t specifically saying sampling, was replying to the “having your work stolen” part

5/7/2025, 6:29:34 PM