I don’t understand why people are complaining about a women’s world cup player being trans
It’s still a biological female, playing against other biological females, which is completley fair? Why does gender matter? I don’t think trans females should compete in female sports due to the physical advantages - it’s not fair on biological females. But there’s no difference here?
Also, imagine if this was a biological man coming out as trans. Would we start persuading them to go be a female footballer? No, since we know that’s unfair on females.
This whole incident just shows in sports that instead of having some acceptance of trans people in sports, we whine and complain saying they’re in the wrong category.
I mean if they’ve had a bunch of stuff done to make them exactly like a woman (and have similar strengths) and they’ve been doing that for years then sure, but if its a trans woman who still had the strength and all that of a male, then they shouldn’t be allowed to compete imo
no they are a biologically female that is now a trans man
“Biologically female” is kind of an ambiguous term. The way most people, (and you in this context) mean it is generally genitals. if you have x you are x if you have y you are y etc. This isn’t how it’s done in biology. Actually, the entire idea of being able to fit it into two boxes is itself flawed. The truth hates simplicity. There are people born with half of this and half of that, there are intersex people, there are people born with no genitals at all (By the way, intersex people are a lot more common than you expect - the percentages are about equal with the number of ginger people.) In biology, sex is classified as the size of your gametes (sex cells). If you have a lot of tiny gametes, those are called sperm and you are considered male. If you have a few small gametes, those are called eggs and you are considered female. It isn’t just that, though. There are plenty of species with more than 2 sizes of gametes, or only 1, or no gametes at all. Sex isn’t a binary, and any attempts to classify it as such almost always end up fruitless.
according to the UN, intersex people make up around 1.7% of the population (interestingly more than trans people, which make up 0.6% ((1/200 people)))
(https://www.ohchr.org/en/sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity/intersex-people#:~:text=Experts%20estimate%20that%20up%20to,as%20heterosexual%20(sexual%20orientation).)
According to the World Population Review (which sources its statistics from governmental censuses), people with the ginger phenotype make up roughly 1-2% of the population.
(https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/percentage-of-redheads-by-country)
FR, safety and fairness is more important than gender euphoria.
+1 it does, but nothing is wrong with this incident since it’s a biological female who is playing against biological females
Testosterone, on the other hand, has been proven to cause physical advantages in trans men who take HRT. It causes increased muscle mass. It’s comparable to steroids (since steroids are a derivative of testosterone)
(https://mednews.uw.edu/news/sex-hormones-athletes#:~:text=Elevated%20blood%20testosterone%20concentrations%20may,effects%20on%20athletic%20performance%2C%20however.)
people will be bigots and transphobes anyway. idk much about this particular incident, but conservatives usually just don't want trans people to exist.
Yeah, anything to complain about trans people. At least I’m consistent in my policies and thoughts with trans people in sports (sports are split into sex for fairness so they should compete in their sex categories, a biological female being trans and moving to male category though is fine as there is no advantages there, but if they wanna stay in the females category that’s fine)
dang, i take it you don’t like conservatives?
i don't like exploitation/capitalism if that's what you're asking :)
what do you like? I know you’re very far left and liberal, but like what does that mean? What do you think is the best system?
I personally believe Socialism would be much better than what we have right now. Try watching this video if you want to understand more of what that means (it very clearly explains the myths surrounding socialism and what it actually means/involves):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpKsygbNLT4
socialism has been proven to not work, literally every single time. it has always led to tyranny. (go look at this list for proof, is any of these countries somewhere where you want to live? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states#Current_socialist_states)
the main problem is that the work of dividing up everything has to be done by some central party, which is (so far) always selfish (because humans are by default). you need a central government for it to work, which always turns bad, due to the flaws in humans. and there’s also the lack of incentive to work.
in the end, capitalism isn’t great but it’s the only system we’ve got that works.
this is simply not true. firstly, you can see this article for some socialist countries that have succeeded:
https://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/5-socialist-countries-that-have-succeeded-964429/
try watching the entire video i sent @dertermenter (it debunks many of the arguments you just made)
Nordic countries aren’t actually socialist. They have advanced free markets, and all but norway have very strong commitments to private ownership. they do have welfare though, so i would actually describe them as both capitalist and socialist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
but the reason those countries have such high qualities of life is because of the socialist aspects of their society, not because of their capitalist aspects. Also, what does private ownership have to do with anything? Do you mean shared control of the means of production? Because the only thing that’s not private in socialism is that it advocates for collectives, or companies run by the workers, the laborers, rather than a few rich billionaires who are imposing an artificial hierarchy, while underpaying employees who are the ones actually doing the labor (working in the factories, etc.) Individuals and families can still have private property under socialism, and its not egalitarianism.
The video also brings up many points, including that Socialism is actually based on capitalism. Also, no completely capitalist society has ever been successful (without many Socialist systems, countries like the USA and UK would be terrible to live in).
That video seems very sketchy. I checked the other videos on the channel, and they seem very biased. This, and the fact that they portray socialism as a perfect system make me think that there’s some stuff they’re leaving out.
There’s also just how propaganda-y it seems. “All of your problems are caused by capitalism. If we switch to socialism, all of your problems will disappear!” Overall, it doesn’t seem very trustworthy, but I also might just be biased because of the number of other similar video essays I’ve seen that turned out to be complete bullshit. Who knows?
did you watch the whole thing??? he literally says in the video that he’s not saying it’s a perfect system. it's just a vision for the future that would almost definitely be better for society as a whole. Based on the flaws of the current system, is it not logical to work toward a better future? Also, how is it propaganda-y compared to literally any video advocating for capitalism lmao
I did, I was just listening to it in the background while trying to fix my computer. But still, the fact that I didn’t notice him going in depth into any of the flaws still leaves me skeptical.
Also you’re not going to find any unbiased youtube videos that care more about educating people than spreading a certain viewpoint. You’re just not.
i also want to say that the term "propaganda" is usually used against Socialists in an unfair way. The term propaganda can be used very loosely. For example, the U.S. government saying "cigarettes are bad" is propaganda (it’s a government message). Unless he said something that's false, using the term "propaganda" against him is stupid. Instead of saying "it sounds like propaganda", try to find something he says that is untrue throughout the entire video. If you gave me a pro-capitalist video, I could usually identify 5-10 false statements, but for some mysterious reason, capitalists never extend the same favor in return.
Fine, he seems like he is playing off of people’s frustrations and desires to promise an unrealistic utopia under socialism, while ignoring any downsides.
but what did he say that was false? also, what downsides do you think he should have mentioned? also, have you ever seen a pro-capitalist video essay that says that capitalism is flawed???
idk, I’m too lazy to do any research on it. The video was just raising some echo chamber red flags.
Also, about the capitalist video essay, I don’t watch video essays for that very reason.
i just think that overall, a socialist system provides better benefits to the ordinary people/workers :)
without the socialist aspects of the american economic system, it would be an awful place to live and a terrible place for workers. capitalist countries brag about the high quality of life which is provided by their socialist systems, which is just contradictory and hypocritic. the actual video version shows some images/videos/screenshots of articles, etc. which do help support some of his points too.
also, the whole point of the red scare and the anti-communist/anti-socialist propaganda you still see today is to create an echo chamber that blocks out messages that the government fears would be appealing to workers/the people. so if you're worried about an echo chamber, it's better to start there.
also, the successful socialist countries that have been suppressed by the United States and other capitialist countries serve as great examples of this. When they see a successful country implementing Socialism, they suppress it so that they can say “No socialist country has succeeded”. The other thing is that most countries that try Socialism are poorer, meaning that they have fewer resources to fight against this influence/military action from countries like the U.S.
I think it's probably the #1 most misunderstood economic system, as there is so much capitalist propaganda (from the cold war, etc.) still today. Most people who claim to be "hardcore Capitalists" couldn't explain to you what Socialism is.
what I mean is that you act like you don’t like conservative voters as people, because you’re always so negative towards them.
conservatives usually just don't want trans people to exist
who is “conservatives” referring to there? if it’s for voters, that’s uncalled for and also a huge generalization.
i’m not tryna be mean with this. i’m probably misunderstanding you, so i just want to clear up any uncertainty
i dislike the ideology. i didn’t say that i hate all conservatives, but i strongly disagree with the ideology/movement. :)
that’s fair
based on my last comment, here is some data. According to Pew Research Center, 65% of conservative Republicans in the U.S. say acceptance of trans people is bad for society.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/02/11/deep-partisan-divide-on-whether-greater-acceptance-of-transgender-people-is-good-for-society/
In these types of culture wars, politicians and the general conservative movement often incite these types of viewpoints in their supporters using scapegoats and straw men.
also, when i say conservatives, I’m mostly referring to politicians/corporations and the actual meaningful conservative groups that are perpetuating many of these viewpoints. however, in this case, i wouldn’t be too surprised if the majority of conservative voters agreed with the statement “trans people shouldn’t exist”.
a trans man (if he was on testosterone) would totally have “advantages” if he was on T
also, the whole “trans women in womens sports” thing is tired. trans women have no proven advatage (or disatvantage for that matter). iirc they have to have testosterone levels below a certain point to compete (this might be wrong but i think i remember hearing it somewhere)
they aren’t so this incident is purely fair. For your second point, it has been proven that trans females still have advantages over biological females, particuarly in strength, so I still think for complete fairness it is best they stay in the mens category.
Actually, according to the British journal of Medicine (https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/11/577)
Also, I found a bbc article about it, but it didn’t list it’s sources (boo) so here is a tertiary source:
(https://www.bbc.com/sport/61346517)
Trans feminine athletes actually have a /disadvantage/ when it comes to physical activity. Estrogen and estradiol decrease the muscle-mass-to-body-weight ratio of a person, meaning more energy has to be expended to get the same amount of mechanical power.
It’s important for me to state this clearly: I am absolutely biased on this subject, do not take my word for it, please please do your own research on the subject. Politics has a tendency to break down complex topics into (often misrepresentative) digestible tabloids.