Elon Musk says terms like “cisgender”and “cis” are now considered “slurs” on Twitter and will not be tolerated.
Thoughts?
EDIT: Elon never said that you can't say the word. He said that repeated harassment would be banned. The only thing he said about the word cis is that it was considered a slur. You can still say many slurs on Twitter (such as the N word)
This reply section is the kind of discussion I always wanted to see.
As a biological female, I don’t see anything wrong with the term cis. It’s just a term to separate cis and trans people when needed, it’s not that big of a deal and I don’t get why people are offended by it.
Keep in mind that I’m not trying to argue here, if someone is offended by the term cis then I don’t care, you do you. But I personally have no problem with it.
So, there is a argument to be had on the whole “who should get the title blah blah blah” but first of all, I don’t think the word “cis” is offensive, second, up even if it is offensive to a tiny part of the population, bannning it????? I mean, the words, straight people are dumb, are even more offensive, but you won’t get banned for saying that
exactly. couldn’t “trans” be a slur by Elon’s logic. if trans people don’t want to be labeled as trans, they should have the same right not to be as cis people. It’s a factual label that conservative billionaires like Elon are trying to scare/trick people into thinking is offensive.
You seriously need to learn that not everyone will have the same opinion as you. Blaming opinions on billionaires is immature, wrong and insulting to those with those opinions
I didn’t say that all people with an opinion have been influenced by politicians/scaremongers, but many have. As with many other political causes, politicians do try to demonize minorities, not that all people with this opinion are dumb, but I do disagree with the opinion.
You can disagree with it but also accept that people are offended by it
i don’t have to agree that it’s offensive, though if i say that i’m offended by something, other people don’t have to accept it if they feel it’s not reasonable 🤷♂️
I meant you can acknowledge people are offended by the term, but you dont have to be offended yourself. Anyway, im tired of this argument which is going in circles and i need to go to bed. Please dont respond further
Elon needs to step out of his bubble and get a grip on reality. Cis is not a slur.
posting this here for context on the convos below
Ok so I just talked to her to confirm her opinion on this [trans females falling under females]. She said “I am fine with transgender females being under the term female, however if an extra label needs to be added it should be for them, not me”
why are trans women less deserving of the term women? no one is saying trans women are more women than cis women, but that’s like making white Americans “more American” than Black Americans? Also, this doesn’t just apply to women, yet people seem to be so hyperfocused on it. Trans and cis men exist too and I (cis male) am perfectly okay with trans men being called men too!
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what are you confused about?
I don’t understand how your post is relevant at all to my post.
you said your mom didn’t want to be classified under the “cis” label and instead wanted trans people to be classified as “trans”. but this wouldn’t work (see my other reply)… Also, there is less debate about trans vs cis men than trans vs cis women, because many voices on the right are concerned with scaring women into thinking their being “replaced”.
Ok, so basically, the group term “female” should include females and trans females. However, if there needs to be a distinction, biological females, being the majority, should be called females and trans females should be trans females. My mum wants to be recognised as a female, same with loads of other females, and not have an extra label on her as she is 50% of the population. Hope you understand
but that doesn’t work… if you say that “females have […]” when it only applies to cis females, it won’t work because the term female can mean trans or cis female. there are many instances where a term like cis is necessary to prevent confusion. Also, trans people also have an extra label. Both cis and trans women have the label when it’s critical to preventing ambiguity and that’s the only way to ensure fairness. 😊
How could you not solve confusion by calling a female a “female” and a trans female a trans female? However, in other instances, she should be called a female, not a “vis female”
because you said that the group word female also describes trans females sometimes? unless I’m misunderstanding something (correct me if I’m wrong)
I didn’t say that, my mum did. However, if there needs to be a tag to distinguish a cis female and a trans female, then that tag should be given to the trans female, as that’s the minority group.
elon is an idiot
Defo not in the business world
>buy twitter with the intent of allowing “free speech”
>n word usage quintuples
>ban the word “cisgender”
What did Elon mean by this?
honestly based the term cis confuses me like just say straight person???
correct me if i’m wrong, but is that not a term for a non-transgender person?
Yeah, that’s correct, that’s incredibly strange that that would be considered a slur when it just means that you identify as the same gender that you were born with
my mum thinks the term is offensive as she wants to be identified as a female, not a “cis female”
In regular conversation the term is unnecessary, but when it’s specifically about that topic then it makes sense to use the term.
I think she said that, since females are the way bigger majority (about 50% of the world is females) than females should get the “female title” over trans females, who should be referred to as trans females.
Sure, but just referring to “females” can be ambiguous and confusing in certain contexts. Not most of them, but some.
so that’s why she thinks that biological females who identify as females are “females” and trans females are “transgender females” to add context.
That's not really helpful though? “Transgender females” are trans females and “females” are trans females and cis females.
Ok so I just talked to her to confirm her opinion on this. She said “I am fine with transgender females being under the term female, however if an extra label needs to be added it should be for them, not me” I think that’s a fair viewpoint.
both are females, neither gets the “title” which is why we need the distinction
She thinks that actual females should get priority over trans females, since they’re the majority. Also they are definitely different
still both females?? again, why we need the distinction??
i do acknowledge they have differences, but they are still women
The distinction is key in conversations about it in context. Like I said, she thinks that biological females should get the “female” title as they are the majority, whilst the minority group should be “transgender females”
ahh shit you were talking about your mum my bad
Oh no you can still challenge that viewpoint, I’m just saying her perspective, as a biological female and identifies as one, on why she finds “cis” quite offensive as she wants to be identified as a female, not a “cis female”
Ok so I just talked to her to confirm her opinion on this. She said “I am fine with transgender females being under the term female, however if an extra label needs to be added it should be for them, not me” I think that’s a fair viewpoint.
this doesn;t make sense though? if you’re okay with them being under the term female, than how do you refer to someone who is not a trans female. If she thinks trans female are female, then would she not want to be referred to as female (a sometimes-ambiguous term) when something concerns cis females?
by referring to them as a female.
but she says that also includes trans females?!
yes, but to distuinguish “cis females” should be “females” to her and trans females should be “trans females”
if you say [this and this and that] applies to females when it only applies to cis females, isn’t that confusing? anyway, nobody is saying you call women cis females all the time, only when it’s relevant to create distinction. 🤷♂️
but to create distinction she thinks it should be female and then trans females should be “transgender females” I don’t understand why this isn’t a hard concept to get
just because most Americans are white doesn’t mean Black Americans should be called Black Americans all the time. Just say American for everybody unless there’s a distinction (then say Black or White Americans) it’s no more complex than that. Politicians want people to be afraid of trans people so they’re making this so much bigger than it really is. 😞
Um what? This is nothing about bloody politics. It’s about biological women, like my mum, wanting to be called a female and not be tagged on a label.
but what if trans women want to be called female and not be tagged on a label? what makes your mom more deserving of being called female?
“what makes your mom more deserving of being called female?” since she’s a biological female????
i’m honestly just wondering what you’re reasoning is, since gender and its traits (female/male/masculine/feminine) are social constructs… There’s no biological rule that says your gender (how you present/identify yourself to society and the norms/traits you embody) is linked to your biological sex as far as I know?
It’s not my reasoning, it’s my mums. I don’t really have too much of a viewpoint on this as it’s such a confusing situation for me. But im presenting the thoughts on why biological females can find “cis” offensive
so should trans females find “trans” offensive? and should white americans find “white” offensive? black americans are called black all the time? (trans women are referred to as trans in situations where it’s irrelevant all the time too. i think it’s important to see labels like these in a balanced way 😊
no, just understand that one is the majority and one is the minority.
that’s why I mentioned the black/white Americans thing. Being a majority doesn’t make you more or less American or more or less woman and it doesn’t make your use of the word woman more legitimate ☺ (I don’t want to argue with your mom’s opinions, but I think a lot of people who hold strong opinions on harmless things like these can be overreacting or thinking that a problem exists when it really doesn’t.)
there are more important issues facing both trans and cis women (gender discrimination), domestic violence, employment disparities) that people should focus on rather than a label whose purpose is to clear up ambiguity. 🙂
No need for the emojis. Comparing race to gender makes no sense since gender links into other factors, like sex. This is not harmless to her, this is offensive to her. Not everyone is going to have the same viewpoint as you do
But no, gender definitely can and does tie into sex.
but not always. women can present more or less masculinity, correct?
What? How is this even relevant?
because the word “woman” and other terms relating to being female are defined by society, not by biology. someone isn’t inherently masculine just because of their sex. getting upset over society labeling (men and women) with cis or trans when it’s important to make a distinction doesn’t make much sense.
And by that dinstinction being females being called females and trans females being called trans females 😊😘😉😎😁
you cannot be serious 😭😭😭
ok
you're meant to explain your thought process
nah
okay vaguely transphobic person
if i’m transphobic for simply not understanding what the word cis means then I guess i’m a huge fucking transphobe then
i think it's fair to assume you are when you said something weird, i was confused and you decided to be a dick about it
it's very simple to ask “what does cis mean?” - it's the antonym of trans. you are cis, for example.
Didn’t Elon want it to be a “free speech site”? And yet he’s treating a perfectly fine medical/biological term like a slur? Dumb as hell
his free speech thoughts seem flawed, this account: https://twitter.com/LeafyIsHere is staying up despite repeated offensive, brainless posts but repeated harrasment calling someone cisgender is banned?
yeah, and remember when he tried to ban mentions to other social media sites lol