Owning things in socialism is a complete lie and you know that, that’s why you’re getting so defensive, because you cannot argue your case well and instead bark at me to, “do some research” and whatnot. Also, doing a bit of research has led me to this… this public ownership of things…. STILL EXIST! They still exist, and most things were still private back then too. And what’s even worse is that you argue, “Oh, public ownership of things were great in the UK, therefore we should be socialist.” That’s literally what you were arguing, when really the UK didn’t control the means of production, otherwise they would be socialist, which would actually have more devastating consequences, as their economy would’ve stagnated a lot faster. Take Vietnam for example, when they implemented socialism, Vietnam’s economy has stagnated for a long time, until they implemented capitalist policies. Why was that the case, huh? Also, the reason people voted for the Labour party is simply due to the fact they just wanted Tories out, not because they support their policies. In fact, the Labour Party, although left-wing, is still capitalist and has no interest in changing the capitalist UK. So your argument here makes absolutely no sense. If you don’t want to argue with me anymore, it would honestly be great if you did, because that proves that you can’t make a good argument that would make socialism a utopia, because you and I both know socialism is not the way to go.
how many fucking times do you have to get the message that you still own things in socialism, jeez
why would people vote for labour (when it isnt going through a period of “““new labour”””” where its not too far off just red tories) if they were going to take away everything they owned
and labour were entirely in favour of decolonisation, and immediately began doing that.
public ownership of things was great in the UK, until it all got privatised and then it got crap.
if you could even do the slightest amount of research and i didn't have to keep explaining the most basic things to you, then maybe we’d get somewhere
this is your warning that if you don't put any effort into your next posts then im not even gonna bother arguing with you anymore
i’m not letting an idiot drag me down to their level and beat me with experience
Oh… well still, the British empire still existed during post WW2.. and also, that wasn’t socialism. That was capitalism. In fact, after doing a bit of research, I found that Britain was the first country to implement capitalism and has been great from there. Also, I will admit a small error, as I did say that the potato famine during the British Empire was similar to socialism, yet I was wrong, as public ownership was not there yet, but the rest of my points still stand as public ownership of things controlled by the government have damaging consequences and that’s what should worry socialists, as in socialism, nothing you have is actually yours, including the car you drive or the house you live in. We believe in a capitalist society because they allow people to actually own the things they buy, including the house, car, etc. Socialism takes that away from us and I do not want to live a life where we own nothing and that all the hard work I do is pointless if I’m earning the same paycheck compared to someone who just lounges around all day doing nothing for society. That’s socialism in its finest, or even communism at its extreme.
youre gonna want to sit down for this
things werent publicly owned during the bulk of the british empire
i know, shocking
turns out the only socialist party that have ever formed a government in the uk werent even founded until 1900
do you think british history is “british empire ft irish potato famine → modern britain”
yeah trade unions werent even legal until about 20 years after the irish potato famine
i was referring to between the post-war period until the devil incarnate was elected, where there was strong support for nationalisation, strong trade unions, heavy regulation, higher taxes, and an extensive welfare state (that period being the only period where you could say that the uk was quite socialist)
do even the slightest amount of research first please because i just cant be bothered dealing with you any more