Owning things in socialism is a complete lie and you know that, that’s why you’re getting so defensive, because you cannot argue your case well and instead bark at me to, “do some research” and whatnot. Also, doing a bit of research has led me to this… this public ownership of things…. STILL EXIST! They still exist, and most things were still private back then too. And what’s even worse is that you argue, “Oh, public ownership of things were great in the UK, therefore we should be socialist.” That’s literally what you were arguing, when really the UK didn’t control the means of production, otherwise they would be socialist, which would actually have more devastating consequences, as their economy would’ve stagnated a lot faster. Take Vietnam for example, when they implemented socialism, Vietnam’s economy has stagnated for a long time, until they implemented capitalist policies. Why was that the case, huh? Also, the reason people voted for the Labour party is simply due to the fact they just wanted Tories out, not because they support their policies. In fact, the Labour Party, although left-wing, is still capitalist and has no interest in changing the capitalist UK. So your argument here makes absolutely no sense. If you don’t want to argue with me anymore, it would honestly be great if you did, because that proves that you can’t make a good argument that would make socialism a utopia, because you and I both know socialism is not the way to go.