So you’re resorting to insults now? That's not a good look ngl. Also, you mentioned the UK as an argument so we might as well refer to its past when it was originally called the British Empire, since that was the time when most of everything was owned publicly, and was used against the Irish, which is very similar to what we have in socialism and communism today. We don’t think the UK had socialism during the British Empire when it was in place, but what we do know is that they did publicly own things, and what does socialism promote? Public ownership of all goods and services by the government. You used the UK as an argument of how bad capitalism is, told me that I was scared to mention the UK, and then you used insults like stupid and muppet when I actually did mention them. That’s a really awful look and that proves your inability to argue your case well. Do better next time. Or better yet, really reflect on your view on socialism and compare it to what socialism really is, because if you think socialism will be a magical utopia where everyone’s basic needs will actually be met and everyone (including the poor) will be prosperous under socialism and its government without any exploitation from anyone, let me tell you this… you need a brutal reality check, because your view is the complete opposite of reality.